Boy-Girl Relationship Seminar
Here’s another space for you to ask questions or simply to give comments on the new expanded framework.
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If possible, please state your name and the group that you are from such that we are able to profile the concerns and comments according to the people groups in our church community. This will help us to serve you even better.
We value your comments and inputs greatly.
Do be kind (not destructive or vulgar) with your questions or comments. We will do our best to compile your questions and answer them in appropriate settings.
If possible, please state your name and the group that you are from such that we are able to profile the concerns and comments according to the people groups in our church community. This will help us to serve you even better.
We value your comments and inputs greatly.
posted by Jeff Chong at 11:46 pm
17 Comments:
yo pastor, i missed the BGR seminar as I'm having class :( will there be another sessions? ;p
Hi pastor Jeff.. thank you for an anointed BGR seminar.
I believe God lead you greatly so that you could come up with the new framework that is better than the old one. It gives our people more freedom and flexibility. Like you say, under any framework, there will always be abuse, if people want to abuse the principles. So it doesn't mean the stricter the better. Jesus did not set legalism but he gives freedom with choice.
So the new framework is much better because it empowers our people more and gives them more personal responsibility to build and guard their own relationships with the opposite gender.
But hor... I have a Question I wanted to ask that didn't have a chance. I feel it would be better if you and Pastor Dinah had brought it up and tell everyone... "WHAT ABOUT PEOPLE WHO ALREADY BROKE THE RED LIGHT BEFORE?? MEANING , PEOPLE WHO ALREADY HAD PREMARITAL PETTING OR EVEN PREMARITAL SEX??"
Won't they feel condemned when they see the page on the physical touch and when leaders say things like "Ladies, have some self-respect and dignity."
I know that you and Pastor Dinah don't mean it this way, but the people who have "done it" before will sure feel condemned one. As if they got no self-respect. BUT bcause I know you and Ps Dinah, I know this is NOT what you all mean, becos I KNOW you and Ps Dinah still love and accept people who have "done it" before (cos Jesus loves and forgives even the woman who had done it with five men and even prostitutes)... but can u all make it clear, maybe Ps Dinah can even post a comment on this blog, so that other people who don't know you all well won't think that you all condemn them.
I think every time we touch on BGR seminar and even during the WFL sessions that are coming up, it is good to talk about What about the people who already "did it" (done premarital petting or sexual sins before). This will avoid any misunderstanding which will drive away people from our church if they misunderstand that the church does not empathise with them
Jesus said, "I do not condemn you." to the woman who had committed sexual sin before. (see your bible).
But he also said "Go and sin no more." He does not say it is ok to continue sexual sin or repeat it.
But Jesus is saying that he still loves and accepts the sinner, yet he hates the action (the sin).
There will another session tonight (4 Oct) at Nexus from 730pm to around 10pm.
Thanks for the feedback. We will do our best to address the "already did it" situation. Yes, we will not condemn as that is not Jesus' way. We will lovingly encourage the people to turn in their ways and walk in His ways :)
for those who were present last night, i've got a definition for the "dark red" zone, its for married folks with very young children who take up every minute of your waking hours and quite a chunk of your sleeping ones. you actually go back down the ladder until sometimes the only contact you have as a couple is through passing the soiled diapers. hahaha...
; )
thumbs up for the new framework!
You're funny Simon! Dark red is red plus the child's poo poo.. so dark red!
May God bless Cherry and you to be great godly parents ")
Hi Ps Jeff,
Just wanted to say its a very good and bold move from the Pastoral Team in coming up with this BGR framework.
Thanks for listening to the hearts of the people, and adjusting it with the times, enclosed with biblical precepts.
Thumbs up to the Pastoral team!
Thanks Henry for the kind words! It does indeed strengthen us.
Hey Pastor Jeff,
it was an informative session and i'm very glad that the church did come out and address certain issues though I do know its quite awkward topic (though very neccessary). And I was quite surprised that its a bit more "relaxed" than I anticipated hehe.. :P But Biblical principles remain and only methods change :)
Thumbs up!!!
Thanks Pastor for the teaching. You share it in a way that is truthful, uncompromising and loving. This is the way to go! EN
I think the new BGR framework is so much better than the old one. "Spiritual" brothers (the kind that spiritual sisters like me hope to marry) are often "looking at Jesus" and it seemed like even to look at someone of the opposite sex is a sin or something. At least now you clarified with your opening sentence at the seminar: "Having a liking or attraction for someone of the opposite gender is not wrong!"
haha it's so obvious but needs to be said.
And I think it's good that you actually encouraged spiritual brothers to take more initiative-
some of them are waiting for heaven to drop a mate into their laps or something. Brothers must take more initiative.
:( I missed it
Hi JM, thank God for His guidance.
Gal, prayerfully... some guys will be more proactive in building deeper freindship with you and many other sisters in our church :)
Hi anonymous, you can get one of your leaders to run it through with you. Do let us know if you have any question and query and we will do our best to help.
to gal: "some of them are waiting for heaven to drop a mate into their laps or something. Brothers must take more initiative."
Hey... i don't mind my future wife dropping from heaven... esp if she's an angel. ;D haha!
but yes, we bros can take more initiative... i think one of the good things abt the new BGR framework is that it gives us clearer guidelines on what we bros are personally responsible for.
thanks to all our pastoral leaders who helped to prepare the frameworks, the principles, and not the least of all - the FAQ! think the FAQ's very detailed and comprehensive - it really helped to answer a lot of my questions.
thank God for you guys - you rawk!
:( i missed it too
for the "already did it" suiation, wats our church stand on it?
*curious*
Yeu Ann, so we will be seeing you taking more initative to build friendship with people of the oppostie genders. That's cool.
Hi Curious, "already did it" meaning those that had sex outside of or before marriage. Just want to make sure that we are all on the same page.
The way to move forward is to repent and follow God's ways. It would be good to keep oneself accountable to someone that we can trust.
And I would also suggest that we break certain patterns that may lead to these acts (for example, it usually happen when we meet at one of the party's house or when we go to park at night etc)
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